Houston has lost three straight

A.J. Hinch's Tigers get best of Greinke, take opener against Astros

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Zack Greinke had his worst start of the early season Monday. Photo by Julio Aguilar/Getty Images

Zack Greinke had his worst start of the early season Monday.

After dropping the final two games against the A's over the weekend to lose the series and fall to 6-3 on the year, the Astros welcomed in the 3-6 Tigers hoping to get back on track against a beatable team. Detroit's new manager had a warm welcome back in Houston, as A.J. Hinch, former Astros manager, made his first appearance in Minute Maid Park since he handed a one-year suspension from the league in 2020 for Houston's sign-stealing of 2017 and 2018.

Hinch's team would perform as well as the Astros did under his command, dominating Houston en route to a lopsided win to take the series opener and hand the Astros their third-straight loss.

Final Score: Tigers 6, Astros 2

Astros' Record: 6-4, second in the AL West

Winning Pitcher: Casey Mize (1-0)

Losing Pitcher: Zack Greinke (1-1)

Greinke struggles on the mound

Instead of the Astros' potent offense getting the better of a young pitcher in Casey Mize for the Tigers, it was Detroit roughing up Houston's veteran ace, Zack Greinke. They started by battling him for an extended first inning, getting a hit and two walks. They got on the board in the top of the second, sending seven batters to the plate and hitting a two-run homer to go up 2-0.

Before Greinke could try and settle in, the Tigers went back-to-back two-out solo homers in the top of the third, doubling the lead to 4-0. Greinke would get a scoreless fourth but then allowed two more runs on his way out in the top of the fifth, ending his shortest and the most disappointing start of the young season. His final line: 4.2 IP, 10 H, 6 ER, 3 BB, 2 K, 90 P.

Mize and Detroit's bullpen handle the Astros

Meanwhile, Mize was making relatively easy work of Houston's bats. The Astros had a runner in scoring position three times over the first four innings but could not get a run across to shift momentum and throw him off his game. After Mize would finish seven shutout frames, Michael Brantley would get the goose egg off the board with a solo home run off of Detroit's bullpen.

After Greinke, Luis Garcia, who recently moved to the bullpen after filling in as the temporary fifth starter in the rotation, took over to eat up innings in the lopsided game. He would have an impressive outing, albeit to no avail, finishing the remaining four and one-third innings for his team without allowing any runs. Carlos Correa would attempt to start a magical rally with a leadoff solo homer in the bottom of the ninth, but no more runs would come as Houston would be unable to undo the damage done by Detroit earlier in the night.

Up Next: This series will roll on Tuesday night with another 7:10 PM first pitch. Jake Odorizzi, a late off-season acquisition for the Astros, will make his first start for his new team after working his way back to starting form. Detroit will send Matthew Boyd (1-1, 2.13 ERA) to the mound.

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The woeful state of the Astros' farm system has made it very expensive to continue maintaining a good team, prohibitively so (in part self-imposed) from having a great team. Even if they re-sign Alex Bregman, trading Framber Valdez and/or Kyle Tucker for prospects could snap the Astros' run of eight straight postseason appearances. But if they KNOW that no way do they intend to offer Framber five years 130 million dollars, Tucker 7/225 or whatever their free agent markets might be after next season, keeping them for 2025 but getting nothing but 2026 compensatory draft picks for them could do multi-year damage to the franchise.

The time is here for the Astros to be aggressively shopping both. It doesn't make trading them obligatory, but even though many purported top prospects amount to little or nothing (look up what the Astros traded to Detroit for Justin Verlander, to Pittsburgh for Gerrit Cole, to Arizona for Zack Greinke) if strong packages are offered the Astros need to act if unwilling (reasonably or not) to pay Valdez/Tucker.

Last offseason the Milwaukee Brewers traded pitching ace Corbin Burnes one season ahead of his free agency and then again won the National League Central, the San Diego Padres dealt Juan Soto and wound up much improved and a playoff team after missing the 2023 postseason. But nailing the trades is critical. The Brewers got their everyday rookie third baseman Joey Ortiz and two other prospects. The Padres got quality starter Michael King, catcher Kyle Hagashioka, and three prospects.

Back to Bregman

Meanwhile, decision time approaches for Alex Bregman. He, via agent Scott Boras, wants 200-plus million dollars. Don't we all. If he can land that from somebody, congratulations. The Astros' six-year 156 million dollar contract offer is more than fair. That's 26 million dollars per season and would take Bregman within a few months of his 37th birthday. If rounding up to 160 mil gets it done, ok I guess. Going to 200 would be silly.

While Bregman hasn't been a superstar (or even an All-Star) since 2019, he's still a very good player. That includes his 2024 season which showed decline offensively. Not falling off a cliff decline other than his walk rate plunging about 45 percent, but decline. If Bregman remains the exact player he was this season, six-156 is pricey but not crazy in the current marketplace. But how likely is Bregman to not drop off further in his mid-30s? As noted before, the storyline is bogus that Bregman has been a postseason monster. Over seven League Championship Series and four World Series Bregman has a .196 batting average.
The Astros already should be sweating some over Jose Altuve having shown marked decline this season, before his five year 125 million dollar extension covering 2025-2029 even starts. Altuve was still very good offensively though well down from 2022 and 2023 (defensively his data are now awful), but as he approaches turning 35 years old in May some concern is warranted when locked into paying a guy until he's nearly 39 1/2.

Jim Crane is right in noting that long contracts paying guys huge money in their later years generally go poorly for the clubs.

Bang for your buck

Cleveland third baseman Jose Ramirez is heading into the second year of a five-year, $124 million extension. That's 24.8 million dollars per season. Jose Ramirez is a clearly better player than Alex Bregman. Ramirez has been the better player for five consecutive seasons, and only in 2023 was it even close. It should be noted that Ramirez signed his extension in April of 2022. He is about a year and a half older than Bregman so the Guardians are paying their superstar through his age 36 season.

Bregman benefits from playing his home games at soon-to be named Daikin Park. Bregman hit 26 home runs this year. Using ball-tracking data, if he had played all his games in Houston, Bregman would have hit 31 homers. Had all his swings been taken at Yankee Stadium, the "Breggy Bomb" count would have been 25. In Cleveland, just 18. Ramirez hit 41 dingers. If all his games were home games 40 would have cleared the fences, if all had been at Minute Maid Park 47 would have been gone.

Matt Chapman recently signed a six-year 151 million dollar deal to stay with the San Francisco Giants. That's 25.166 million per season. Chapman was clearly a better player than Bregman this year. But it's the only season of Chapman's career that is the case. Chapman is 11 months older than Bregman, so his lush deal with the Giants carries through his age 37 season.

The Giants having overpaid Chapman doesn't obligate the Astros to do the same with Bregman. So, if you're the Astros do you accept overpaying Bregman? They would almost certainly be worse without him in 2025, but what about beyond? Again, having not one elite prospect in their minor league system boxes them in. Still, until/unless the Seattle Mariners upgrade their offense, the Astros cling to American League West favorites status. On the other hand, WITH Bregman, Tucker, and Valdez the Astros are no postseason lock.

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