NOT AGAIN!
How polarizing comments from Astros GM have us feeling a certain way
Sep 11, 2024, 3:55 pm
This “back of the baseball card” nonsense won't go away. Composite Getty Image.
One of the hottest topics involving the Astros has been the discussion over Justin Verlander's role in the playoff rotation should they hold on and win the division.
Verlander has struggled since returning from the injured list, and has an ERA over 5 for the entire 2024 season. JV should still have around three more starts to shake off the rust before the postseason, but it's hard to argue he's any better than the club's sixth starter currently.
But based on GM Dana Brown's latest comments, it sounds like the team is going to give Verlander every opportunity to land one of the starting spots in the playoff rotation.
When asked about Verlander on the flagship station on Wednesday, Brown went back to one of the most hated phrases according to Astros fans. That's right, the old “back of the baseball card” was dusted off and used when discussing JV.
“Look, pay attention to the back of the baseball card. These guys will show up. They will get it done,” said Brown.
As someone that likes Dana Brown, this just felt gross to hear. How did the “back of the baseball card” statement work out with Jose Abreu? Why would you possibly remind your fanbase of the team's complete failure to accept the reality Abreu's decline?
Here were some reactions on X to Brown's comments:
This is the 2nd time this year I’ve heard the “back of baseball card” nonsense…we released the 1st guy and the team immediately got better.
Let’s come up with something new and perhaps start with “it’s time our big money players show up day 1, spring training, ready to go!”
— Keith Jones (@KeJo4286) September 11, 2024
Here's another reply.
Isn't that exactly what he said about Abreu? I believe JV will fix it too, but come on.
— Trey Gadler (@TreyGadler) September 11, 2024
It's good to know us Astros fans are all thinking the same thing. JV might get his act together and pitch well moving forward, but when you lump him in with a highly scrutinized Jeff Bagwell phrase used to defend the failed signing of Abreu, you lose all credibility.
Brown went on to say he would be more concerned if Verlander wasn't hitting 97 MPH. He believes command is the main issue, and that's something he can work through in what the team is considering a second “Spring training” for Verlander.
The one thing they don't bring up when they use this ridiculous phrase is how they ignore portions of the back of the baseball card when it suits them. Abreu was awful in 2023, but they didn't talk about that.
Verlander hasn't just been under performing since returning from his second injury. His ERA for the season is over 5 like I mentioned above.
At some point, you have to trust the results you're seeing from players. Especially those well past their prime when you have better options to turn to.
To be clear, I'm one of the few that does give JV a chance to regain his form and be a serviceable option in the rotation. I discuss it in the video below. But he has to show us something over his next three starts.
That's what I want to hear from Dana. Just tell us you have confidence in him. There's still time left in the regular season, and we'll see where he's at in a few weeks.
It's not that hard. Not to mention, if I'm Verlander, that last thing I want to hear associated with my name is the lame line Bagwell used about Abreu up until his release.
Want to hear more thoughts on this topic?
We discussed the Verlander situation in the latest edition of our Stone Cold 'Stros podcast. If you missed it, you can check it out below.
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The Chicago Cubs acquired All-Star outfielder Kyle Tucker in a trade with the Houston Astros on Friday, paying a big price for one of baseball's best hitters.
The Cubs sent third baseman Isaac Paredes, right-hander Hayden Wesneski and Cam Smith, one of their top infield prospects, to the Astros for Tucker, who is eligible for free agency after the 2025 season.
Be sure to watch the video below as the crew from Stone Cold 'Stros reacts to the trade and lays out what the future holds for the new-look Astros.
Tucker was limited to 78 games this year because of a fractured right shin, but he hit .289 with 23 homers and 49 RBIs for the AL West champions. He batted .284 with 29 homers, an AL-best 112 RBIs and 30 steals for Houston in 2023.
Tucker, who turns 28 on Jan. 17, joins a crowded situation in Chicago's outfield, but the Cubs are reportedly looking to trade Cody Bellinger, who also can play first base. They also have talked to Seiya Suzuki's agent about the outfielder's no-trade clause.
The Cubs have finished second in the NL Central with an 83-79 record in each of the past two years, and there is increased pressure on president of baseball operations Jed Hoyer to get the team back into the playoffs for the first time since 2020.
The Cubs announced later in the day that they had agreed to an $11.5 million, two-year contract with catcher Carson Kelly, a Chicago native. He played for Detroit and Texas this year, batting .238 with nine homers and 37 RBIs in 91 games.
The New York Yankees also were in the mix for Tucker before the trade was completed.
“We certainly had many conversations with the Astros.” Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said. “At the end of the day I’m glad that Mr. Tucker is not in the American League East or the American League at all. But it’s a big get for the Chicago Cubs.”
Paredes is an option for Houston at third base if Alex Bregman departs in free agency. The 25-year-old Paredes hit .238 with 19 homers and 80 RBIs in 153 games this year. He made the AL All-Star team with Tampa Bay and then was traded to Chicago in July.
Paredes, who bats from the right side and is known for his pull power, chuckled as he talked about taking aim at the Crawford Boxes in left field at Minute Maid Park.
“I feel very happy. It's not only a beautiful stadium, but it's a stadium that benefits my hitting,” he said through a translator.
Even with the acquisition of Paredes, who also can play first, Astros general manager Dana Brown did not close the door on a reunion with Bregman.
“Pretty much Alex Bregman's status is still the way it is,” Brown said. “Nothing has changed since the last time I've talked to you guys.”
Wesneski, a Houston native who played college ball for Sam Houston State, will compete for a spot in the Astros’ rotation.
The right-hander, who turned 27 on Dec. 5, went 3-6 with a 3.86 ERA over 21 relief appearances and seven starts this year. He was on the injured list from July 20 to Sept. 20 with a right forearm strain.
“It’s just a dream-come-true kind of thing,” Wesneski said. “I am excited to be an Astro.”
Houston is hoping the addition of Paredes and Wesneski will help the team continue its impressive run as one of baseball's best teams. It has made the playoffs for eight straight years, winning the World Series in 2017 and 2022. It was swept by Detroit in the wild-card round this year.
“Look, make no mistake. We're still going to compete,” Brown said, “and this is probably one of those moves that I think in the future people will see and understand like, yeah, wow, I understand it now, I get it. ... I would say that this is more to strengthen our opportunities down the road without losing any footage in the current year.”
While Paredes and Wesneski could have an immediate impact, Smith also was a key component of the deal.
Smith, 21, was selected by Chicago with the No. 14 pick in this year's draft out of Florida State University. He hit .313 with seven homers and 24 RBIs in 32 games over three minor league stops, finishing the year with Double-A Knoxville.
“It's a really good first-round college bat with power, with a chance to hit, and he's pretty athletic as well,” Brown said. “So we're really excited about Cam Smith.”
Tucker was Houston's first-round pick in 2015, taken No. 5 overall. He made his big league debut with the Astros in 2018.
Tucker had a breakout performance three years after his debut, hitting a career-best .294 with 30 homers and 92 RBIs in 140 games in 2021. He won a Gold Glove the following year.
The Tampa, Florida, native is a .274 hitter with 125 homers, 417 RBIs and an .869 OPS in 633 career games — all with Houston. He also has appeared in 64 postseason games, batting .229 with eight homers and 28 RBIs.
Kelly gets $5 million in each of the next two seasons, and his deal with Chicago includes a $7.5 million mutual option for 2027 with a $1.5 million buyout. He can earn $500,000 in performance bonuses during each of the three seasons; $250,000 each for 81 and 91 games started.
The Cubs were in need of more depth behind the plate. They also have Miguel Amaya, who played in a career-high 117 games this year, and Matt Thaiss, who was acquired in a trade with the Angels on Nov. 20.